Thursday, October 21, 2010

Document B: How do we make meaning out of it?

13 comments:

Aminah said...

Erasmus was a Catholic priest who often criticized the Catholic Church and its practices. In this passage, it is clear he is bringing forth faults in the Papacy, a possible if not definite cause for the Reformation. This can however fit with problems within the Catholic Church itself because it is highlighting corruption in the structure of the faith.

Anonymous said...

Author: Erasmus'

This document puts into question the power of the papacy. In Catholic teachings we learn that the pope is infallible in all his teachings, doctrines, and actions. Many protestants put into question this infallibility which in turn stemmed and spiked a religious revolution.

Haley said...

-Erasmus was one of the title individuals to create an alternate perspective on religion. He scrutinized the church's ideals and satirized the papacy.
-CONTEXT= Papacy, Humanism

CooperM6 said...

Displays not only the more secular views of Erasmus through the characters, but is an example of early dissent towards what was becoming a more and more corrupt Catholic Church, using its own laws and traditions to surpass those considered to be handed down by God, and to fulfill personal and selfish goals rather than pious and altruistic ones.

Anonymous said...

In this excerpt from his play, Erasmus--a man who, like Luther, found Catholicism troubling--is calling out the process in which a pope is viewed as above the law. It is important to think about who would be watching/reading this play, and what Erasmus was hoping to accomplish.

Anonymous said...

document b is an excerpt from a play Julius Excluded. in it erasmus uses two characters dialogue to question the power of the pope. they question why the pope has the power to dismiss any conviction toward him. document b can be used as a precursor to the ideas that will arise out of the protestant reformation

seltzizzle said...

Here a folly of the catholic church is presented- the Catch-22 of the papacy, wherefore the pope cannot technically be convicted of a crime, as he may recant, etc. to avoid punishment. Thus, Erasmus presents a major flaw of the catholic church, one that detracted from the allure of the catholic church and added weight to Luther's arguments on Christianity: The seeming invulnerability from sin of the pope.

Anonymous said...

This document shows the incredible power the pope had during the 16th century. Obviously some believed he had too much power, since he was able to cheat the laws any time he wanted to. The document also makes us ask the question "who is the audience?" and "what was Erasmus trying to demonstrate to people through this play?"

Anonymous said...

In Eramus' play he illustrates the issue within the Catholic church that the Pope had too much power. Popes could "cheat christ" and was not punished for sins he committed. This demonstrates the struggles many religious revolutionaries had for the Catholic Church in this time of The Protestant Reformation.

Taylor said...

In Document B, you should analyze the point of view for each one of the speakers (Julius and Peter). Also, keep in mind that Erasmus wanted to reform the Catholic church, and how this documents reflects these overall views.

Anonymous said...

This document presents the faults within the papacy, and could be used to defend the argument that it was a cause for the Reformation. Erasmus defended this idea because he was one to criticize the Catholic church. One question to include-who was his intended audience?

Anonymous said...

Erasmus, a writer and theologist, is displaying his frustration with the papacy. He is attempting to invoke his audience into realizing the corruption of the church. Erasmus challenged the views church and thus helped pave the way to reformation.

jakarl1 said...

Eramus was one of the forefathers in attempting to reform the Catholic Church. We must look at the point of views of both characters to grasp the context.